Latest revision as of 00:15, 16 December 2021

First Screen shot: note the prices of luxuries, narcotics, alloys & firearms

20 seconds later: prices of SW Economy commodities etc are not yet built into Phasted's oxp

Overview

Editor's Note: Why this OXP is so important

Phasted blanked all this back in 2014. I have chosen to restore it in 2021. Why? Because it is such an important OXP. (See discussion tab above for more)

The markets in Oolite are based on the original 8-bit Classic Elite. Of the various attempts to modify the markets and improve on them, this one, in my opinion is the best. It scraps the 8-bit limits on market quantities (127 units of everything) as far as was possible in 2014, and replaces the simplistic static markets with more realistic dynamic markets.

If he was rewriting it now, I'm sure he could improve it even more (this sort of oxp'ing was made simpler with Oolite v.1.82). But it is still brilliant! Try it and see! Cholmondeley 17:02, 26 August 2021 (BST)

Why this OXP?

For me, one of the least satisfying elements of this game (going all the way back to the good ol' days playing Elite on my ancient Commodore 128) has always been the extremely unrealistic economic model. It's just laughable to think that one star system could have a commodity-price (for Computers, let's say...) of 101.2₢ per ton while another system just a short jump away sells the very same commodity for only 61.2₢ and that such a price disparity could persist indefinitely.

Suppose, for example, that Wal-Mart® were to set up shop right next door to Tiffany & Co.®, selling the exact same merchandise at substantially lower price. What do you think might happen to prices at Tiffany's? While there might be a small handful of snobs willing to pay higher prices for the Tiffany® name, enabling Tiffany's to cling to their existing prices, sooner or later, competition from Wal-Mart® would compel them to change their business model.

In Elite, the economic model is hard-coded into the game, beyond the reach of all but Mr. Bell and Mr. Braben. Oolite, however, thanks to Mr. Williams and Mr. Ayton (among others) allows any clumsy, talentless hack (like Yours Truly, for instance) to pop the hood and monkey around inside...

So, I did.

The Lazy-Trader Shuffle

What is it?

Every new player figures it out almost immediately: Computers are cheap and plentiful in Rich Industrial systems, and they can be sold for an enormous profit to the Poor and Agricultural. Liquor/Wines (and Furs, when they're available) are cheap in PoorAg systems and pricey on RichInd worlds.

"How brilliant of me to notice this!" The New Player might beam as he pats himself on the back. "I must be some kind of a genius! I'll just find a Rich Industrial/Poor Agricultural pair -- reasonably close to one another -- and make a killing hauling Computers one way and Liquor/Wines back... it's idiot-proof!"

As a result, traders most often head for RichInd and PoorAg worlds, robotically shuttling back and forth between them. There's no good reason to go to a PoorInd or RichAg system. The prices are "wrong."

Why the lazy-trader shuffle shouldn't work

Prices aren't just random numbers arbitrarily pulled out of a hat. Rather, they are a compromise between what Buyers are willing to pay, and what Sellers are willing to accept.

What to do about it: Star Clusters and the Local Economic Balance

Star Clusters

A star cluster is just what the name suggests... a group of stars arranged around a common center, called the hub. Every system in the Ooniverse is the hub of its own cluster. Any star within jump distance (7 light-years) of that system is a member of the cluster.

The local economic balance

The unmodified economies are given a rating between -4 (rich industrial) and +4 (poor economical).

The EconBalance for any chosen system is then determined using a formula that takes a number of variables into account, including:

Economy Type and Distance
Wealthy systems (RichAg and RichInd) have the greatest influence on EconBalance. AvAg and AvInd systems have slightly less impact. PoorAg and PoorInd systems have even less influence, and MainlyAg and MainlyInd have the least of all. Distance is also a factor. A RichInd system at 5.2 LY distance will have less effect on EconBalance than that same RichInd system at a distance of 0.4 LY.
Nearest Agricultural and Nearest Industrial Systems
The distance in LY to the nearest Agricultural system (excluding MainlyAg) is subtracted from the distance in LY to the nearest Industrial system (excluding MainlyInd). The result is added to EconBalance.
Agricultural Economies in Range and Industrial Economies in Range
The number of Industrial economies in the cluster (MainlyInd count as 0.4) is subtracted from the number of Agricultural economies in the cluster (MainlyAg count as 0.4). The result is added to EconBalance.

The local economic balance for a system will be detailed on its F7 page (data on "system") once that system has been arrived at. Again, the result ranges between industrial 4 through to agricultural 4. Just remember that industrial 4 is rich, while agricultural 4 is poor!

How this OXP works

Mechanics

Effect on Prices

The lowest price you'll ever find for Computers (or any Industrial-type goods) will be in a Poor Industrial system in a heavily-Industrialized cluster. The highest price will be in a Rich Agricultural system in a heavily-Agricultural cluster.

By the same token, the lowest price for Agricultural goods will be found in a PoorAg system in an AG-heavy cluster. The highest price for those goods are at RichInd worlds in IND-heavy clusters.

Consequences for the player

Real-Life Economics will make it much more difficult to earn a living as a trader. You'll no longer be able to fill your hold with cargo and unload it for a huge profit at the system "next door." You may have to travel a long, long way to make a big score. You'll also find that, because movements in quantity are now directly (rather than inversely) related to changes in price, when prices are lowest, quantities available for sale will be pretty low, too.

Please note: To make Phasted's oxp work you might need to edit it - see the Note below.

Download

Get v1.11 here

If you do not know what to do with the download - see OXP

Links

BB Thread (2012-4)
Economics - a comparison of Phasted's approach here with those of Cim & Stranger.
Oolite Trading
Commodities

Note

To make RLE work you might need to edit it as Phkb suggests here. See How to tweak OXZ's if you need more information.
This OXP was written for the older versions of Oolite (pre v.1.82) before the Commodities.plist was replaced by the Trade-goods.plist. This should not matter.

Gameplay and Balance Indicator

One can still make trading profits, but it is no longer as easy. Phasted's oxp does two things: it takes the obvious economic model behind Oolite trading and implements it properly. It also makes the terms Rich and Poor significant in terms of description of an economy.

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+[[File:Real Life Economics 1.png|thumb|450px|right|First Screen shot: note the prices of luxuries, narcotics, alloys & firearms]]
+[[File:Real Life Economics 2.png|thumb|450px|right|20 seconds later: prices of [[SW Economy]] commodities ''etc'' are not yet built into Phasted's oxp]]
 =Overview=
+== Editor's Note: Why this OXP is so important ==
+ Phasted blanked all this back in 2014. I have chosen to restore it in 2021. Why? Because it is such an important OXP. (See discussion tab above for more)
+ The markets in Oolite are based on the original 8-bit [[Classic Elite]]. Of the various attempts to modify the markets and improve on them, this one, in my opinion is the best. It scraps the 8-bit limits on market quantities (127 units of everything) as far as was possible in 2014, and replaces the simplistic static markets with more realistic dynamic markets.
+ If he was rewriting it now, I'm sure he could improve it even more (this sort of oxp'ing was made simpler with Oolite v.1.82). But it is still ''brilliant''! Try it and see! ''Cholmondeley 17:02, 26 August 2021 (BST)''
 ==Why this OXP?==
-For me, one of the least satisfying elements of this game (going all the way back to the good ol' days playing ''Elite'' on my ancient Commodore 128) has always been the extremely unrealistic economic model. It's nothing short of laughable to suppose that one star system could have a commodity-price (for Computers, let's say...) of 101.2 Cr. per ton while another system just a short jump away sells the very same commodity for only 61.2 Cr. and that such an arrangement could persist indefinitely.
+For me, one of the least satisfying elements of this game (going all the way back to the good ol' days playing ''Elite'' on my ancient Commodore 128) has always been the extremely unrealistic economic model. It's just laughable to think that one star system could have a commodity-price (for Computers, let's say...) of 101.2₢ per ton while another system just a short jump away sells the very same commodity for only 61.2₢ and that such a price disparity could persist indefinitely.
 Suppose, for example, that Wal-Mart® were to set up shop right next door to Tiffany & Co.®, selling the exact same merchandise at substantially lower price.  What do you think might happen to prices at Tiffany's?  While there might be a small handful of snobs willing to pay higher prices for the Tiffany® name, enabling Tiffany's to cling to their existing prices, sooner or later, competition from Wal-Mart® would compel them to change their business model.
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 As a result, traders most often head for RichInd and PoorAg worlds, robotically shuttling back and forth between them.  There's no good reason to go to a PoorInd or RichAg system.  The prices are "wrong."
-===Why it shouldn't work===
+===Why the lazy-trader shuffle shouldn't work===
-Prices are not random numbers arbitrarily pulled out of a hat.  Rather, they are a compromise between what Buyers are willing to pay, and what Sellers are willing to accept.
+Prices aren't just random numbers arbitrarily pulled out of a hat.  Rather, they are a compromise between what Buyers are willing to pay, and what Sellers are willing to accept.
-===What to do about it===
+===What to do about it: Star Clusters and the Local Economic Balance===
+==== Star Clusters ====
-==Star Clusters and the Local Economic Balance==
+A '''star cluster''' is just what the name suggests... a group of stars arranged around a common center, called the '''''hub'''''.  Every system in the Ooniverse is the hub of its own cluster.  Any star within jump distance (7 light-years) of that system is a member of the cluster.
+==== The local economic balance ====
+The unmodified economies are given a rating between -4 (rich industrial) and +4 (poor economical).
-=== Star Clusters ===
+The EconBalance for any chosen system is then determined using a formula that takes a number of variables into account, including:
+<div>
+<ul style = "font-size:14px;list-style:circle outside none">
+<li style = "font-weight:700">Economy Type and Distance<br>
+<span style = "font-size:12px;font-weight:200">Wealthy systems (RichAg and RichInd) have the greatest influence on EconBalance.  AvAg and AvInd systems have slightly less impact.  PoorAg and PoorInd systems have even less influence, and MainlyAg and MainlyInd have the least of all.
+Distance is also a factor.  A RichInd system at 5.2 LY distance will have less effect on EconBalance than that same RichInd system at a distance of 0.4 LY.<br></span></li>
+<li style = "font-weight:700">Nearest Agricultural and Nearest Industrial Systems<br>
+<span style = "font-size:12px;font-weight:200">The distance in LY to the nearest Agricultural system (excluding MainlyAg) is subtracted from the distance in LY to the nearest Industrial system (excluding MainlyInd).  The result is added to EconBalance.<br></span></li>
+<li style = "font-weight:700">Agricultural Economies in Range and Industrial Economies in Range<br>
+<span style = "font-size:12px;font-weight:200">The number of Industrial economies in the cluster (MainlyInd count as 0.4) is subtracted from the number of Agricultural economies in the cluster (MainlyAg count as 0.4).  The result is added to EconBalance.
+</span></li></ul></div>
-A '''star cluster''' is just what the name suggests... a group of stars arranged around a common center, called the '''''hub'''''.  Every system in the Ooniverse is the hub of its own cluster.  Any star within jump distance (7 light-years) of that system is a member of the cluster.
+The local economic balance for a system will be detailed on its [[F7 page (data on "system")]] once that system has been arrived at. Again, the result ranges between industrial 4 through to agricultural 4. Just remember that industrial 4 is ''rich'', while agricultural 4 is ''poor''!
-=== The local economic balance ===
 == How this OXP works ==
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 === Mechanics ===
-===Effect on Prices===
+=== Effect on Prices ===
 The lowest price you'll ever find for Computers (or any Industrial-type goods) will be in a Poor Industrial system in a heavily-Industrialized cluster.  The highest price will be in a Rich Agricultural system in a heavily-Agricultural cluster.
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 '''''Real-Life Economics''''' will make it much more difficult to earn a living as a trader.  You'll no longer be able to fill your hold with cargo and unload it for a huge profit at the system "next door."  You may have to travel a long, long way to make a big score.  You'll also find that, because movements in quantity are now directly (rather than inversely) related to changes in price, when prices are lowest, quantities available for sale will be pretty low, too.
+{{OXPNote|To make Phasted's oxp work you might need to edit it - see the Note below}}
+<br>
+== Download ==
+[https://app.box.com/s/h4bu55bzxvn0pzli93g6 Get v1.11 here]
+*If you do not know what to do with the download  - see [[OXP]]
+== Links ==
+*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11790 BB Thread] (2012-4)
+*[[Economics]] - a comparison of Phasted's approach here with those of Cim & Stranger.
+*[[Oolite Trading]]
+*[[Commodities]]
+== Note ==
+*To make RLE work you might need to edit it as Phkb suggests [http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=278574#p278574 here]. See [[How to tweak OXZ's]] if you need more information.
+*This OXP was written for the older versions of Oolite (pre v.1.82) before the [[Commodities.plist]] was replaced by the [[Trade-goods.plist]]. This should not matter.
+== Gameplay and Balance Indicator ==
+[[File:Tag-colour-orange.png|right]]
+One can still make trading profits, but it is no longer as easy. Phasted's oxp does two things: it takes the obvious economic model behind Oolite trading and implements it properly. It also makes the terms ''Rich'' and ''Poor'' significant in terms of description of an economy.
+{{mechanics-OXP}}
+{{demo-OXP}}

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