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Cholmondely: /* Debates about this on the Bulletin Boards */ Oops!
2021-11-15T18:11:07Z
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Cholmondely
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Cholmondely: /* Debates about this on the Bulletin Boards */ Added CSOTB's revelation
2021-11-15T16:47:56Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Debates about this on the Bulletin Boards: </span> Added CSOTB's revelation</span></p>
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Cholmondely: Tagged as Concept
2021-08-15T08:52:45Z
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Cholmondely
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Cholmondely: /* Debates about this on the Bulletin Boards */ Added
2021-08-08T04:36:24Z
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Cholmondely
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Cholmondely: /* Historical Perspective */ Tweak
2021-03-25T11:42:07Z
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Cholmondely
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2021-03-25T11:30:59Z
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== Links ==<br />
*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18290 Oolite 2.0 or II] (2016/7)<br />
*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10265 Dream Weapon (No, I'm not proposing another OXP here)] (2011)<br />
*[http://www.aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10995 Future plans for Oolite 1.x] (2011) - starts with summary of lower thread<br />
*[http://aegidian.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9440 Looking Ahead] (2011) by Jens Ayton<br />
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And see [[User:Cim|Cim]]'s listed threads.<br />
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[[Category:Oolite]]<br />
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